greenflash25
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dragon ball dosen` t need a remake.
With most of the voice actors past their prime, some dead, no Kikuchi, and any resources that could've gone to new content instead being put into an unnecessary remake?
No, I mean, literally, Dragon Ball Kai is a full-on remake, different music, different animation, pacing similiar to the manga
that`s why dragon ball kai feels soulless.
one best of Kid Gohan I really wish they didn’t cut out his filler episodes with the orphans and being stuck in the cave with the robot out of Kai.
garlic junior goku and piccolo otherworld saga, learning how to drive gone just so fucking soulless.
Dragon ball doesn’t need a remake. Kai was supposed to be it but all they did was re color the same anime and changed voice lines and took out filler
The anime has always unironically been better than the manga. It's a fucking story about martial arts and superhuman fighting. Obviously an animated medium is going to portray it better. Not only that, but the "filler" you dumb canontards like to cry about actually further developed the world and characters in most cases. Gohan's training with Piccolo explored their relationship and Gohan's self confidence. The humans and Piccolo training with North Kaioshin kept them relevant power-wise and developed their relationships with each other as comrades. The Other World tournament massively developed the world and explained exactly how Go ku was training and eventually achieved SS2 and SS3. The Saiyaman filler gave more plausibility to Gohan's superhero persona. And the voice performances along with Kikuchi's score are just brilliant.
The anime just does a better job, point-blank.
One thing I like GT for is despite not getting any Gotenks, Trunks and Goten do fight. Goten doesn't have much, really his most impressive showing happens in the couple episodes he fights Baby and (when subsequently possessed by Baby) fighting Gohan.
Trunks on the other hand... despite not making much of any progress on his own power, outside of a single tease that sadly doesn't go anywhere (you guys know... when ejecting Baby from his body), he's involved in a decent deal especially in the Black-Star and Baby arcs. Heck he manages to kill Mutchy, helps Go ku kill Rilldo, he even briefly stands up to Golden Oozaru Baby-Vegeta.
A solid alternative if you wanna see them in some action, just know once the Super 17 merging happens they're more or less relegated to the sidelines with (an unfortunately entirely useless) Uub. Other solid occasions to see them involved in fighting are DBZ movies 10-13, in particular movie 11 "Bio Broly" they really stand out and movie 13 "Wrath of the Dragon" giving Trunks some personal spotlight.
also filler are neeeded Naruto fillers are the best example as well the story is very well allowed to have fillers but back then anime production had tight schedules it wasn’t no breaks
also canon dosen`t exist in japan.
What's your official source for DBS and Daima not sharing a continuity, or for the movies being a separate continuity from the anime/manga? If you cite a contradiction somewhere, you might as well do that for every other contradiction on the Wiki page, you can update me with that. The manga explicitly mentions the movies twice to skip the arcs, and there's nothing really separating them from the anime either. I have not seen 二次創作 listed on any of the media personally, but I'm welcome to be challenged.
"Experienced DB fan" feels like it's loaded with a "no true Scotsman" type of feel here if I ever try to challenge it. I personally do not agree, and I've seldom met any Dragon Ball fan who does.
Now that those are out of the way, I feel like western vs eastern canonicity is its own topic and I feel like that should be addressed.
Just look at how Western companies will declare things canon or non-canon all the time, and how Japanese companies will rarely ever touch that. Japanese doesn't even have a word for canon; they use 公式設定 for official works and 二次創作 for fan works.
How the fans feel about it tends to be largely different as well... many different instances of Japanese fans taking different perspectives than Western fans. No one is saying they "are so quirky that they don't appreciate narrative cohesion" or that the opinion of Japan is a monolith (I can pretty easily find people going against that line of thought as well), it is simply noting there are differences in culture that affect how people look at media.
From my experience, the general feel of it in Japan is either that anything made by the rights holders or anything with any level of influence from the authors would be considered "canon", with some exceptions in place for certain shows that present a lot of irreconcilable contradictions if that's taken to be true (such as GT), but there really isn't a good translation between the two concepts of continuity.
in the Dragon Ball community with the recent release of Daima creating plot inconsistencies, causing many fans to just straight up deny it from canon. What's really interesting on the Anime side though is that it creates an interesting dichotomy between the western fans and Japanese creators. Over in Japan, the idea of "canon" isn't really understood in the same way it is in western fandoms, and most are generally unfamiliar with the concept. The word "canon" itself doesn't even have a directly translatable word, it just simply doesn't exist. It seems that audiences over there don't really care all that much about continuity, and accept fiction as just fiction.
the movies being what ifs are made by thoses retarded faggots like qaaman.
cooler makes a cameo in gt, vegeta knows the fusion dance in gt at the first try, bojack and other movies villains make a cameo in fusion reborn, and in plan to eradicate the saiyans broly mentioned is by goku and turles slug and cooler appear and the z fighters recognize them, and vegeta knows the ki of tuffle which he only knows by plan to eradicate the saiyans.
The producers and creatives in Japan do not care for canonicity and "filler" anywhere as much as Westerners do. Why should we care more about it as consumers? The target audience don't care about it.
I was once Disappointed and angry at any "creative liberties" taken when stories are adapted but I realised creative liberties will almost ALWAYS be taken when things get adapted from one medium to another. Not limited to anime but even Western media like Harry Potter, his eyes are green in the books, it is A very important part of his character. That fucker's eyes aren't green in the movie at all
With most of the voice actors past their prime, some dead, no Kikuchi, and any resources that could've gone to new content instead being put into an unnecessary remake?
No, I mean, literally, Dragon Ball Kai is a full-on remake, different music, different animation, pacing similiar to the manga
that`s why dragon ball kai feels soulless.
one best of Kid Gohan I really wish they didn’t cut out his filler episodes with the orphans and being stuck in the cave with the robot out of Kai.
garlic junior goku and piccolo otherworld saga, learning how to drive gone just so fucking soulless.
Dragon ball doesn’t need a remake. Kai was supposed to be it but all they did was re color the same anime and changed voice lines and took out filler
The anime has always unironically been better than the manga. It's a fucking story about martial arts and superhuman fighting. Obviously an animated medium is going to portray it better. Not only that, but the "filler" you dumb canontards like to cry about actually further developed the world and characters in most cases. Gohan's training with Piccolo explored their relationship and Gohan's self confidence. The humans and Piccolo training with North Kaioshin kept them relevant power-wise and developed their relationships with each other as comrades. The Other World tournament massively developed the world and explained exactly how Go ku was training and eventually achieved SS2 and SS3. The Saiyaman filler gave more plausibility to Gohan's superhero persona. And the voice performances along with Kikuchi's score are just brilliant.
The anime just does a better job, point-blank.
One thing I like GT for is despite not getting any Gotenks, Trunks and Goten do fight. Goten doesn't have much, really his most impressive showing happens in the couple episodes he fights Baby and (when subsequently possessed by Baby) fighting Gohan.
Trunks on the other hand... despite not making much of any progress on his own power, outside of a single tease that sadly doesn't go anywhere (you guys know... when ejecting Baby from his body), he's involved in a decent deal especially in the Black-Star and Baby arcs. Heck he manages to kill Mutchy, helps Go ku kill Rilldo, he even briefly stands up to Golden Oozaru Baby-Vegeta.
A solid alternative if you wanna see them in some action, just know once the Super 17 merging happens they're more or less relegated to the sidelines with (an unfortunately entirely useless) Uub. Other solid occasions to see them involved in fighting are DBZ movies 10-13, in particular movie 11 "Bio Broly" they really stand out and movie 13 "Wrath of the Dragon" giving Trunks some personal spotlight.
also filler are neeeded Naruto fillers are the best example as well the story is very well allowed to have fillers but back then anime production had tight schedules it wasn’t no breaks
also canon dosen`t exist in japan.
What's your official source for DBS and Daima not sharing a continuity, or for the movies being a separate continuity from the anime/manga? If you cite a contradiction somewhere, you might as well do that for every other contradiction on the Wiki page, you can update me with that. The manga explicitly mentions the movies twice to skip the arcs, and there's nothing really separating them from the anime either. I have not seen 二次創作 listed on any of the media personally, but I'm welcome to be challenged.
"Experienced DB fan" feels like it's loaded with a "no true Scotsman" type of feel here if I ever try to challenge it. I personally do not agree, and I've seldom met any Dragon Ball fan who does.
Now that those are out of the way, I feel like western vs eastern canonicity is its own topic and I feel like that should be addressed.
Just look at how Western companies will declare things canon or non-canon all the time, and how Japanese companies will rarely ever touch that. Japanese doesn't even have a word for canon; they use 公式設定 for official works and 二次創作 for fan works.
How the fans feel about it tends to be largely different as well... many different instances of Japanese fans taking different perspectives than Western fans. No one is saying they "are so quirky that they don't appreciate narrative cohesion" or that the opinion of Japan is a monolith (I can pretty easily find people going against that line of thought as well), it is simply noting there are differences in culture that affect how people look at media.
From my experience, the general feel of it in Japan is either that anything made by the rights holders or anything with any level of influence from the authors would be considered "canon", with some exceptions in place for certain shows that present a lot of irreconcilable contradictions if that's taken to be true (such as GT), but there really isn't a good translation between the two concepts of continuity.
in the Dragon Ball community with the recent release of Daima creating plot inconsistencies, causing many fans to just straight up deny it from canon. What's really interesting on the Anime side though is that it creates an interesting dichotomy between the western fans and Japanese creators. Over in Japan, the idea of "canon" isn't really understood in the same way it is in western fandoms, and most are generally unfamiliar with the concept. The word "canon" itself doesn't even have a directly translatable word, it just simply doesn't exist. It seems that audiences over there don't really care all that much about continuity, and accept fiction as just fiction.
the movies being what ifs are made by thoses retarded faggots like qaaman.
cooler makes a cameo in gt, vegeta knows the fusion dance in gt at the first try, bojack and other movies villains make a cameo in fusion reborn, and in plan to eradicate the saiyans broly mentioned is by goku and turles slug and cooler appear and the z fighters recognize them, and vegeta knows the ki of tuffle which he only knows by plan to eradicate the saiyans.
The producers and creatives in Japan do not care for canonicity and "filler" anywhere as much as Westerners do. Why should we care more about it as consumers? The target audience don't care about it.
I was once Disappointed and angry at any "creative liberties" taken when stories are adapted but I realised creative liberties will almost ALWAYS be taken when things get adapted from one medium to another. Not limited to anime but even Western media like Harry Potter, his eyes are green in the books, it is A very important part of his character. That fucker's eyes aren't green in the movie at all
