Didnt have to have surgery, but yes I am now aware of their no water policy.
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- Thread starter Call Me Tim
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Ill bring vodka next time.
People ask me for shit to eat and drink all the time and my default is always no. Almost all requests I say no to just as a general policy. Motherfuckers think an ER is a bed and breakfast.
If you give them an inch they will take a mile. Going without water for a few hours can be pretty annoying though, especially if it gets too warm. And up here its a mask thing , their being a bit cunty.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
Still unacceptable behavior on his part no?
If a mentally ill person kills someone, that person is just as dead. If someone behind the wheel, when impaired, kills someone, even though he or she is not thinking clearly at the time, is still responsible. Being high doesn't let you off the hook for robbery, murder or the such. Why should it let them off the hook when attacking HC workers?
Really stupid reasoning. Then why put anyone in prison then. Is someone in sound mind when they decide to commit crime? I mean if you know of the possible consequences, and continue with your plan of holding up the Quickie Mart, shoot the clerk over 20 bucks and a fistful of scratch lotto tickets, could you successfully argue that you suffered a disconnect from reality? Answer: YES. You have to be pretty well connected and wealthy. See John Hinkley.
Punishment not only provides some sort of justice to the wronged, and also serves an example to the rest of society. I mean literally that what punishment is. How is it that you not know this? Arguing punishment with you is fruitless because you had a big problem with your DUI. You openly scoffed at it, and bragged (don't know if true) that you still drove drunk as if to taunt the law and fate/God.
I really don't understand why ANY of you are arguing against some sort of law which could/would be employed to protect HC workers? It really is fucking bizarre. TDS (Tim Derangement Syndrome) I guess.
When you are under there is a risk you can vomit and asphyxiate your puke and die. The anesthesiologist, the guy that is often the highest paid person in the OR, generally frowns on that.
Raddy
Healer's Fist
Those laws exist man. That's what assault charges are for
I was gonna say something like that; Thanks for bringing this up G. Supreme.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
And when your charge threatened lover boy with further charges he straightened right up. No?
Have that law plastered over the intake desk and place a line under it stating, "Violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." You can still have your silly feelings let the retard off like when Mandingo wants to test your mettle and then piss all over you, but it does openly state the consequences and puts in their mind, "Do not fuck with the healing people." I still find it odd which you arguing for some vile asshat showing any of you no respect, when you are trying to HELP them. Fuck. I would say that you're trolling but knowing my opposition, i'm not sure in the least.
Further retarding musings on additional consequences.
And you are not being defended with them no? Plus there is no mandatory minimum. You have to make it a slam dunk for the DA office now. There are now several laws titled "malicious wounding." Which means if there is bruising or breaking of the skin, you are literally guilty of. That's all they have to prove. VA DA's love this law. You're mandatorily sent to prison longer than if you committed 2nd degree murder. Seriously.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
It also further defines and gives reason why attacking a HC worker is fucking wrong. Simple assault and breaking someone's arm and or jaw is one thing. But doing that to a HC worker and now not only are they injured the perp has created an unnecessary strain on staffing. And considering HC workers are often in a high stress and high emotional situation such a burden is/should be given more weight.
Fuck all. I'm out. I'm doing laps.
Fuck all. I'm out. I'm doing laps.
The assault cases against healthcare workers almost always get thrown out due to lack of interest in prosecution and the easy defense of "the patient was not in their right mind"
Im all for it though
Im all for it though
Same here...
I don't think it matters if the patient was in the right state of mind; it's YOUR JOB to protect that person/those people (if there is more than one person), and of the person is dead, and there was some negligence involved, you can bet that there will be charges dropped, because that is technically murder.
It don't matter what you say; you let the person die which = murder; enough said... slammer time 4 u.
Good job making detailed theoreticals and comparisons that arent relevant to the issue
As usual
I see. But what triggers them then?
A sense of entitlement
@GroyperSupreme
You're not wrong that it's unacceptable. I pay dues to the ANA who lobbies national and local governments on nursing issues, violence against health providers being a big one. Additionally, I provide my work data to research done my university and sigma.
But like all things it layered, to that point, @Baka asked about triggers. While I'm sure it might not always be the case, in my setting it's always a stress trigger. Longer term care is a mother fucker of physical, emotional and financial stress for everyone involved.
With patients, they compensate for the lack of control and stress in different ways, most just get verbally nasty, some get crazy codependent (call button every 5mins), the minority are hitters. Most time with hitters there is an underlying issue with inhabition, these are stroke and TBI, not all but some lose the don't hit wiring.
With family it's all the stress plus a big trigger. A fuck ton of people deal with reductionism, "It's expensive, I have to carry this extra load, I miss my significant other but when they get out of the hospital it be back to normal". This is almost never the case and on the extreme end of what we do, love one end up taking an incredible amount of burden. Breaking that news is when it usually goes down, but again only the minority are hitters, a larger portion just try to get a nigga fired.
Whew, that was a lot of blah blah.
Anyway, @GroyperSupreme, the biggest game changer for me so far has been provider end classes like CPI, it's a a lot of practical psychology mumbo jumbo and awareness drills. It's improved my get hit : get hugged ratio a lot. Having this certification required in nursing schools is one of the issues the ANA is pushing.
It's all tricky, I can take a hit and don't want to call the cops on a person already in neck deep shit but if 5'4" nurse ahn gets hit it's a trip to the ER and workers comp.
Meh, I might not no my flower but I no a bitch when I see one
You're not wrong that it's unacceptable. I pay dues to the ANA who lobbies national and local governments on nursing issues, violence against health providers being a big one. Additionally, I provide my work data to research done my university and sigma.
But like all things it layered, to that point, @Baka asked about triggers. While I'm sure it might not always be the case, in my setting it's always a stress trigger. Longer term care is a mother fucker of physical, emotional and financial stress for everyone involved.
With patients, they compensate for the lack of control and stress in different ways, most just get verbally nasty, some get crazy codependent (call button every 5mins), the minority are hitters. Most time with hitters there is an underlying issue with inhabition, these are stroke and TBI, not all but some lose the don't hit wiring.
With family it's all the stress plus a big trigger. A fuck ton of people deal with reductionism, "It's expensive, I have to carry this extra load, I miss my significant other but when they get out of the hospital it be back to normal". This is almost never the case and on the extreme end of what we do, love one end up taking an incredible amount of burden. Breaking that news is when it usually goes down, but again only the minority are hitters, a larger portion just try to get a nigga fired.
Whew, that was a lot of blah blah.
Anyway, @GroyperSupreme, the biggest game changer for me so far has been provider end classes like CPI, it's a a lot of practical psychology mumbo jumbo and awareness drills. It's improved my get hit : get hugged ratio a lot. Having this certification required in nursing schools is one of the issues the ANA is pushing.
It's all tricky, I can take a hit and don't want to call the cops on a person already in neck deep shit but if 5'4" nurse ahn gets hit it's a trip to the ER and workers comp.
Meh, I might not no my flower but I no a bitch when I see one
Raddy
Healer's Fist
The NLA. ANA and a couple of other accreditation agencies have been instrumental in changing alot of the legislation on this. It's why in the last decade I've been in this they switched from letting us get our asses kicked to allowing reasonable shows of force in response to assault. It's a slippery slope, you can't go full Rambo and soon as as it's done u gotta make sure the pt is ok.
Like @Solution said de escalation is the better than having to fight
Like @Solution said de escalation is the better than having to fight
That's the part that gets me, while I like the idea of state nursing boards ( policy that reflects to population and all that) when it comes to big issues that effect all of us the shit is all over the board. Shit just facility to facility. Our sister rehab's CEO refuses to give CPI and has flat out said that hands of clients will be fired and reported but at my facility I've seen our 78yo CNO straight up body tackle a dude for slapping his son.
Raddy
Healer's Fist
I wanna kick it with ur cno lol.
Alot of it is based on the liability insurance the facility has and what administration perceives your pt population is. Lubbock and back east we were huge on restraints and limb locks and code orange. Staff assaults are lower because ie that because the pt populace we serve is known to have an aggressive element plus we are level 1s n trauma n violence go hand in hand
El paso is restraint free cuz they perceive our census is old ladies. But we are also the screening site for violent EDOs with the police. We are also for profit there and admin is terrified of any measures that could cost them. So we get to practice alot of verbal interventions and hugging it out lol.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
Literally took your proposals and applied them to the real world. I can cite examples if you like.
Which may be the reason for a law specifically for HC workers.
Fair? @Raddy