I agree for the first part, the second is TL
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Brag About Getting Drunk/High
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Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
I can only talk about Merica and her trends so this may not apply to you or what's happening in your country.
To be honest the overall result in crime reduction is about even with the legalization of pot. Crime pertaining to pot is about the same, however the types of busts are radically different. Gone are the 2 joint busts, the dead roach found in the ashtray, but on the surprisingly silent upswing are large scale grow busts. It seems that the conservative prediction came true: illegal dealers will just move to pot-legal states and set up shop. (the penalties are listed whenever it's put forth to the voters in AZ. and it's often voted down because "illegal pot consequences are too 'harsh.'" I mean at the ballot the last time, the penalty for a first offence was five years minimum. yeah.)
So basically you have lesser small fish busts, but small fish busts lead to big fish busts. Now the state is just looking for big fish busts and using other methods to confirm suspicions. Usually, it's an irate neighbor. What a lot of you pro-potties forget is, pot really stinks. I mean it's rank and even smoking it outside in a breeze doesn't dissipate it too well.
‘Getting Worse, Not Better’: Illegal Pot Market Booming in California Despite Legalization (Published 2019)
California has a massive oversupply of illicit marijuana. It’s undermining licensed shops and threatening the state’s giant legalization experiment.
Marijuana Is Legal In Colorado, But The Illegal Market Still Exists
Marijuana has been legal in Colorado since 2012. But recently, large busts of illegal grow houses show that the black market for pot is far from gone. In fact, it's growing.
www.npr.org
California now has the biggest legal marijuana market in the world. Its black market is even bigger
California's legal cannabis market is on track to post a record $3.1 billion in sales, but the black market is more than twice as large.
www.latimes.com
How Legal Marijuana Is Helping the Black Market
Expensive regulation and high demand across the country have made the illicit trade more profitable than going legit.
www.politico.com
i drink more than i should
anyone who has had the pleasure/mispleasure of being on voice chat with me know this
also people i send drunk pms to
anyone who has had the pleasure/mispleasure of being on voice chat with me know this
also people i send drunk pms to
i got pretty fucked up once drinking thai whiskey. really nice people, those thai.
You FOOL! States that have legalized the consumption of the evil weed have seen consumption rates skyrocket. This means that every time someone ingests the evil weed they’re violating FEDERAL LAW. Ergo, crime is proliferating at a rapid pace!
Also, because of state regulation, taxes, cultivation, and supply chain logistics, prices are much higher for legal pot than its illegal and unregulated competition. This means the black market for pot is THRIVING even though the elimination of illegal weed was one of the main reasons the states used for legalizing it.
Put down the bong, druggie!
Don’t drink. Be kind to your liver.
Yeah I know it definitely smells allot. I dont grow indoors doe, so I dont have the issues these "dealers" you mention do.I can only talk about Merica and her trends so this may not apply to you or what's happening in your country.
To be honest the overall result in crime reduction is about even with the legalization of pot. Crime pertaining to pot is about the same, however the types of busts are radically different. Gone are the 2 joint busts, the dead roach found in the ashtray, but on the surprisingly silent upswing are large scale grow busts. It seems that the conservative prediction came true: illegal dealers will just move to pot-legal states and set up shop. (the penalties are listed whenever it's put forth to the voters in AZ. and it's often voted down because "illegal pot consequences are too 'harsh.'" I mean at the ballot the last time, the penalty for a first offence was five years minimum. yeah.)
So basically you have lesser small fish busts, but small fish busts lead to big fish busts. Now the state is just looking for big fish busts and using other methods to confirm suspicions. Usually, it's an irate neighbor. What a lot of you pro-potties forget is, pot really stinks. I mean it's rank and even smoking it outside in a breeze doesn't dissipate it too well.
‘Getting Worse, Not Better’: Illegal Pot Market Booming in California Despite Legalization (Published 2019)
California has a massive oversupply of illicit marijuana. It’s undermining licensed shops and threatening the state’s giant legalization experiment.www.nytimes.com
Marijuana Is Legal In Colorado, But The Illegal Market Still Exists
Marijuana has been legal in Colorado since 2012. But recently, large busts of illegal grow houses show that the black market for pot is far from gone. In fact, it's growing.California now has the biggest legal marijuana market in the world. Its black market is even bigger
California's legal cannabis market is on track to post a record $3.1 billion in sales, but the black market is more than twice as large.How Legal Marijuana Is Helping the Black Market
Expensive regulation and high demand across the country have made the illicit trade more profitable than going legit.
https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1671&context=hlr
Lol the feds cant even arrest people trying to burn down a federal courthouse in Portland, why is Marijauna consumption an issue Quence? Dosent the US Federal government have more important shit to worry about right now?
Qoutes from the paper I linked.I can only talk about Merica and her trends so this may not apply to you or what's happening in your country.
To be honest the overall result in crime reduction is about even with the legalization of pot. Crime pertaining to pot is about the same, however the types of busts are radically different. Gone are the 2 joint busts, the dead roach found in the ashtray, but on the surprisingly silent upswing are large scale grow busts. It seems that the conservative prediction came true: illegal dealers will just move to pot-legal states and set up shop. (the penalties are listed whenever it's put forth to the voters in AZ. and it's often voted down because "illegal pot consequences are too 'harsh.'" I mean at the ballot the last time, the penalty for a first offence was five years minimum. yeah.)
So basically you have lesser small fish busts, but small fish busts lead to big fish busts. Now the state is just looking for big fish busts and using other methods to confirm suspicions. Usually, it's an irate neighbor. What a lot of you pro-potties forget is, pot really stinks. I mean it's rank and even smoking it outside in a breeze doesn't dissipate it too well.
‘Getting Worse, Not Better’: Illegal Pot Market Booming in California Despite Legalization (Published 2019)
California has a massive oversupply of illicit marijuana. It’s undermining licensed shops and threatening the state’s giant legalization experiment.Marijuana Is Legal In Colorado, But The Illegal Market Still Exists
Marijuana has been legal in Colorado since 2012. But recently, large busts of illegal grow houses show that the black market for pot is far from gone. In fact, it's growing.California now has the biggest legal marijuana market in the world. Its black market is even bigger
California's legal cannabis market is on track to post a record $3.1 billion in sales, but the black market is more than twice as large.How Legal Marijuana Is Helping the Black Market
Expensive regulation and high demand across the country have made the illicit trade more profitable than going legit.
"The major costs of prohibition include categories of crime costs, medical costs, economic costs, and miscellaneous costs.6 Prohibition stimulates a tremendous amount of crime and reduces the ability of the criminal justice system to deal with truly violent criminals. Prohibition, by its very nature, threatens civil liberties and destroys the social structure of the poorest neighborhoods. "
"If we repeal prohibition, the benefits would be immediate and substantial: streets would become safer, law enforcement would become unburdened, and the black market in drugs, together with its many ill effects, would be destroyed. The risk of legalization is significantly less than the risk of continuing the availability of cigarettes,9 alcohol ° and cholesterol. Many innocent victims of prohibition-including many drug abstainers-would no longer be sacrificed in the futile attempt to protect self-destructive people from themselves."
Drugs are bad.
That was the druggie argument for legalization. Essentially, it was a theory that turned out to be not true.
Random acronyms are random
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
This is categorically false. The articles I posted proves that crime at the very least stays the same. They type of mj crime however is more serious.
tl;dr follows.
With all crime, the greater the risk the more likely it is to be violent. If you think smoking/dealing pot makes you less violent, I knew a shitton of Rastafari/Ethiopians/Russians that would slit your throat just to prove you wrong.
MJ is not inherently a riskless drug.
The fact is -- legalization of MJ has not contributed in any great amount to any state's tax coffers, reduced crime, and certainly not "reduced medical costs" LOL wUT? and "miscellaneous costs." OK you're just making shit up now.
Repeat after me, "I, Maniac, like smoking pot, that's why I think it's legal." That is really the only point you have. All the rest have been debunked by predictions that were made at the time of legalization and even more so now that there is trendable data.
The only way we make the black market disappear is through very harsh and long sentences for any and all dealing, and limit purchase volume and frequency. Even if you have X amount of "legal" weed then you subject yourself and all property to search. Which won't happen because America. However, ironically in states which have legal pot, they may do exactly that, to protect of all things, state sanctioned pot sellers. You can't have an illegal market encroach on a legal market. Kinda defeats all those "oh but the tax revenue" arguments.
However, if the black market cannot be eliminated because the public doesn't have the will power to enact such penalties, then my suggestion is this. At least make MJ usage something that is to be kept in the shadows and have a progressive scale of punishment. Let the punishment be civil, like a parking ticket. Parking tickets only become criminal when they are not paid.
1st offense 100 plus court costs. That means you are retarded enough to be busted in public high. Considering how fucking strange general society now is, you would have to be pretty fucking off to pull a ticket. Mandatory blood test for THC content entered.
2nd offense 200 plus court costs.
3rd offense 400 plus court costs
4th offense 800 plus court costs
5th offense 1600 plus court costs.
I think you get the picture. It's not real money until you hit the 4th or 5th time. If you are that fucking dense as to not know how to call out for pizza when you are high then you deserve it.
MJ is not inherently a riskless drug.
The fact is -- legalization of MJ has not contributed in any great amount to any state's tax coffers, reduced crime, and certainly not "reduced medical costs" LOL wUT? and "miscellaneous costs." OK you're just making shit up now.
Repeat after me, "I, Maniac, like smoking pot, that's why I think it's legal." That is really the only point you have. All the rest have been debunked by predictions that were made at the time of legalization and even more so now that there is trendable data.
The only way we make the black market disappear is through very harsh and long sentences for any and all dealing, and limit purchase volume and frequency. Even if you have X amount of "legal" weed then you subject yourself and all property to search. Which won't happen because America. However, ironically in states which have legal pot, they may do exactly that, to protect of all things, state sanctioned pot sellers. You can't have an illegal market encroach on a legal market. Kinda defeats all those "oh but the tax revenue" arguments.
However, if the black market cannot be eliminated because the public doesn't have the will power to enact such penalties, then my suggestion is this. At least make MJ usage something that is to be kept in the shadows and have a progressive scale of punishment. Let the punishment be civil, like a parking ticket. Parking tickets only become criminal when they are not paid.
1st offense 100 plus court costs. That means you are retarded enough to be busted in public high. Considering how fucking strange general society now is, you would have to be pretty fucking off to pull a ticket. Mandatory blood test for THC content entered.
2nd offense 200 plus court costs.
3rd offense 400 plus court costs
4th offense 800 plus court costs
5th offense 1600 plus court costs.
I think you get the picture. It's not real money until you hit the 4th or 5th time. If you are that fucking dense as to not know how to call out for pizza when you are high then you deserve it.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
There is literally no moral reason for legalization. Booze and drugs are frowned upon by every fundamentalist/orthodox religion. If that is in the title it's all bullshit.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
@Maniac200688thewhitenigr
You can be butthurt about it all you want, but those are the records and facts. Time to grow up bro.
You can be butthurt about it all you want, but those are the records and facts. Time to grow up bro.
1st of all, this is an issue we are never going to agree upon. You hate potsmokers or something, OK I like smoking weed.
2nd, You are a retarded gen-xer who thinks a few articles he pulled off a google search equates to an academic paper that has actual sources.
3rd. Making shit illegal and "harsh sentences" for dealing (weed) increases the profit margin for whatever criminal group is going to dare to usurup the courts and traffick in spie of the threat of whatever sentence you come up with.
-The ticketing of marijauna smokers isnt a bad idea if you think it has to be kept illegal, but its still a violation of peoples freedoms.
-There are moral, economic and legal reasons for legalization. The courts have a massive backlog of cases, drug offenders for simple possession should simply be let go. The courts have more important stuff to deal with.
And finally Tim, America has the worlds worst coronavirus epedimic, people are dying in massive numbers from opiods and fetanyl, and people were rioting in the streets for 2 months which most places werent able to stop, so where has your civic nationalist bullshit gotten you? America dosent deserve to be the worlds superpower, and its approach to drug crime, is stupid and counter productive.
Im not butthurt, I just think your wrong. ALL DRUGS should be legalized.
Heres another study, from some lolbeterian group , that proves you are in fact, wrong.