NY State Wants To Treat 3D Printers As Guns
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and a torch ban
since you can cast gun parts
since you can cast gun parts
lol, I have a lathe
Call Me Tim
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The register is meaningless, and will only inconvenience the 99% of 3D printer buyers.
There is already a forced serial number program on "ghost guns" and "ghost gun parts" are already banned. So if you want to buy gun parts kits most likely you'll have to go through an FFL in NY now.
You're not casting a barrel, bolt, trigger sear etc., these parts must be made to high tolerances and have wear and strength requirements.
Even if you could cast a rifle barrel out of mild steel, it would have to be so thick and heavy that it would hinder the ability of the shooter using it.
Any such barrel would limit the types of ammunition it could use. I am doubtful if someone can forge a barrel in their garage strong enough to withstand modern cartage pressures. So I'm guessing it would be black power at most.
Plus, you would still need a lathe to make sure the bore is straight and if you want rifling (though not vital but makes the process far easier).
But if they are background checking for printers, they'll have to ban lathes, mills, heavy duty hand drills, drill presses, grinders, etc., basically any motorized tool that can be converted into a motor for a homemade lathe., etc.
id really like to get a mill, but it'd end up collecting dust 80% of the time like my printer.
you act like casting can never be low tolerance
and you also forgot casting is how you can make rounds as well.
if you're going to ban one tool that can be used to make guns and gun parts, ban them all.
Call Me Tim
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Casting is not close enough tolerance for precision modern firearms.
You're not casting a barrel for modern smokeless powder. Due to uneven fill.
The pressure differences are far greater.
Smokeless powder often have pressures exceeding 50K PSI.
Black powder about 1/3 to half that.
The barrels would have to be forged.
It would be easier, safer and faster to just get round bar stock and drill out the center, then heat treat the steel.
Olēinad Oēmor
Ediot
I had a badass metal lathe but sold it because I needed room for a Felder combination machine (saw, jointer, planer). I do miss it, but I never really used it. Here's a picture of it:
I have actually used this thing before, but it has been a while. This thing is my grandpa's and at least from the 60's if not earlier.
Olēinad Oēmor
Ediot
Yours looks to be from the early 1950s.
Yes, I am not disagreeing about the fact that sure casting isn't 100% for precision stuff.
The point was, if NY wants to try and curb custom gun making, there's a whole lot they need to ban.
And if you just want to kill someone 10ft away, you don't need schmancy equipment.
You don't know what youre talking about
Call Me Tim
EDF Hero
LOL ok. Are you trying to get spanked again? Then continue.
Backpedal harder bro. Again, you're not casting a barrel for modern cartridges. Period. I won't get into the details of why unless you want me too, I mean if you ever took 8th grade shop you would know but maybe you forgot/wasn't available.
Casting bullets is a non sequitur.
Bullets are not load/pressure parts of the firearm. The breach, throat and barrel are.
This is typical gubbermint Kabuki theater. This is a knee jerk over-reaction designed to create dialogue and pre-emptively plant the seed into people's mind that it would be acceptable for citizens to be further controlled. It will gain support from women and weak men, and might pass, but will get shot down in SCOTUS. The argument would be as you stated, what is the limit of what can be seen as a tool for firearm manufacture, and presuming that a citizen is going to use a common tool for "illegal" activities is a violation of their civil rights. When the true scope of that is presented, I doubt it will ever pass even in liberal NY. NYC maybe, but I seriously doubt not the entirety of the state. So what would be the effect of such a law if you can move out of NYC and then "legally" purchase tools and machinery? None so it's theater. Plus, you would also have to make personal modifications of ANY tool illegal. And that won't pass.
one thing to point out is that it doesnt have to take a federal law to force economic conformity. just look at how california controls what car companies are designing simply with their state laws and policies. for example, california is at the forefront of ODB3 development making sure that your future vehicles will wirelessly tattle on you (this on top of current cars already phoning back to the car companies and reporting all your behavior so ford et al can sell it to the insurance companies).
oh yeah, i forgot to mention that 3d printers have been in the government's crosshairs for years now.
that is why it won't stand up in court, a 3d printer is just another machine tool
machine tools have "substantial noninfringing applications not involving weapons manufacture" etc. etc.
if the crazier types in DC tried to ban lathes and milling machines because they "could" be use to make guns,
I expect civilization would collapse. even the giffords group tried and failed to make "files or codes" for making
firearms parts illegal to disseminate.
Legislation Introduced to Prevent the Spread of 3D-Printed Guns
Bill prohibits the online publication of files that allow anybody to print a firearm.
giffords.org
Call Me Tim
EDF Hero
Kind of a stretch to say the same could be applied to a common tool like a printer or lathe. They are trying to make it a safety concern but i'll wager the overwhelming majority of items created are not firearms related.
True. And they'll keep trying, but as long as people understand, that you have a right to make tools or make just about anything you want is your fundamental right.
We are in agreement.that is why it won't stand up in court, a 3d printer is just another machine tool
machine tools have "substantial noninfringing applications not involving weapons manufacture" etc. etc.
if the crazier types in DC tried to ban lathes and milling machines because they "could" be use to make guns,
I expect civilization would collapse. even the giffords group tried and failed to make "files or codes" for making
firearms parts illegal to disseminate.
the bill was introduced in 2023 but has been "stuck in committee" or whateverLegislation Introduced to Prevent the Spread of 3D-Printed Guns
Bill prohibits the online publication of files that allow anybody to print a firearm.
take a look at what bambu labs is doing. theyre changing their hardware and software so that all current and future produced 3d printers made by them can only connect to bambu's services (ideally). they're also working on creating systems (via ai supposedly) that would detect gun parts and prevent them from being printed.
Call Me Tim
EDF Hero
So they can steal the work.
yeah but there are other printer manufacturers and people are already shying away from bambu due to deterioration of services.
Here’s what Bambu will — and won’t — promise after its controversial 3D printer update
Users were pissed about Bambu Connect.
www.theverge.com
You are getting confused between what is needed for making a gun at home, and what is necessary to create a mass produced reliable and quality product designed to fire tens of thousands of rounds and pass government regulations