NY State Wants To Treat 3D Printers As Guns

[Illuminati]

Why would i threadban someone in the middle of a conversation im having with them

You tell me, you've done it before when arguing with him about zionism

 

[Likeicare]

You tell me, you've done it before when arguing with him about zionism

No i haven't

 

[Illuminati]

No i haven't

Yes you did don't lie

 

[Likeicare]

Yes you did don't lie

no i did not

 

[Olēinad Oēmor]

https://vocaroo.com/125gr4USVK7d

 

[lurk]

In short, a propellent burns at a more uniform rate, and explosive burns all at once.

in other words, the same thing.

 

[Call Me Tim]

in other words, the same thing.

No.

 

[Call Me Tim]

Peak pressure is at the chamber. Adding length to the barrel does not make it make it higher pressure

Longer pressers means more sustained pressure. Higher average of pressure on barrel.

 

[Call Me Tim]

You are literally copy pasting forum posts

You copy shit off the net as well. Don't know how this differs if the information is accurate.

 

[Call Me Tim]

you cannot cast a barrel that is safe and easily useable which is meant to fire modern ammo. Period.

And it still is not going to be able to use smokeless powder.

when did i say that

MODERN AMMUNITION. is the key thing here lad. You're not using the Peabody to fire modern ammunition. You know the ammunition that is widely available. You have to use black powder, even in the Springfield 1873 to get it to function without catastrophic failure (explode). The limiting factor is the ammunition available.

If Joe Blow decides, fuck yeah I'm going to make a gun barrel out of an old cast iron pan handle that is big enough to chamber a round, then that barrel will fail. Period. UNLESS the barrel wall is so thick that it will simply not fit into a standard modern pistol frame.

Your and @Likeicare 's overly pedantic and wildly retarded autism of "BUH DEY MADE CAST IRON BARRELS FOR BLACK POWDER RIFLES" doesn't hold water. Because the things you are comparing are completely different in composition and stresses they are able to withstand.

 

[Call Me Tim]

Why do you keep talking about black powder vs smokeless

Because that is what I said. Different pressures. And if you want to run a 45ACP through your Springfield trapdoor go right a head. Though it's ill advised.

 

[Call Me Tim]

..........cast iron and cast steel are essentially the same thing except the carbon content

The carbon changes the properties. FFS. Cast iron is brittle. Steel to an extreme point is mailable. Iron when it fails tends to shear/tear, while steel bends/distorts. Iron fails unpredictably, while steel fails predictably.

Irrelevant forum posts i might add

What you fail to grasp is that the Springfield 45/70 was only made possible due to a relining of the barrel. (cast iron which I don't believe because there were better technologies available and the manufacture of which would be faster and over the the sheer number which had to be refitted been correspondingly cheaper) The 45/70 Springfield barrel probably was thicker than the Winchester since it was stepped down from a .50. Larger diameter cylinders/tubes can withstand more stress while having a thinner wall. The same principle is used on bike down tubes. See Giant, Kline, etc., That was the point.

So again you cannot use cast iron to make a modern cartridge firearm barrel that will fit a modern frame weapon, and use reliably. It has been long been advised to NOT use modern ammunition/smokeless powder in an antique/black powder firearm. Heck even guns made 80 years ago like my Garand, cannot shoot modern 30-06. Many retards have blown up their black powder cartridge (cowboy action) revolvers by trying to use modern smokeless powder. It does not work. To make a barrel that will with stand those pressures you have to make the barrel excessively thick and even then I would not trust it, (as they did with relining the barrel of the Springfield), and it being of a different outer diameter, WILL NOT FIT in a modern pistol frame.

So while the 2K difference between the 45/70 and the 45ACP doesn't seem like much, it is when the barrel is of a brittle material. The differences in pressures is the same reason you shouldn't shoot 556, 58K PSI, out of a 223, 55K PSI, firearm. That both rifles are using modern ally steels for the barrels.

But by all means @SuperChungus and @Likeicare if you feel the need to make a barrel out of cast iron, knock yourself out.

 

[Call Me Tim]

The Springfield Armory would make its muskets with wrought iron, and even when it converted them to breechloaders in 1866, and had to sleeve the 58 caliber muskets to .50, the barrel liners were specified as either iron or steel. Only in 1873 would they move to making steel barrels for their guns. And W.W. Greener ( son of W. Greener) would be one of many makers of fine shotguns who would have pattern-welded barrels, AKA Damascus, that would be woven weldments of iron and steel with a thin steel liner.

So a .58 necked down to a .50 and then further down to a .45 The barrel wall was probably (or just over) a 1/4 inch thick. That's about as thick as my bull barrels on some of my 556's.

 

[lurk]

No.

yes. they are functionally the same. do they not teach chemistry arizona?

 

[lurk]

yes. they are functionally the same. do they not teach chemistry arizona?

fuck me, tim's making me stupid...

 

[Olēinad Oēmor]

But by all means @SuperChungus and @Likeicare if you feel the need to make a barrel out of cast iron, knock yourself out.

Tread lightly. Inciting someone to build a shrapnel bomb is illegal.

 

[Call Me Tim]

yes. they are functionally the same. do they not teach chemistry arizona?

"Functionally."
A 1955 Buick is a car. It functions just like a 2024 Buick car.
Do they have different performances.
FFS

Black powder burns all at once.
Smokeless powder burns at a slower and measured rate.
In fact, the rate at which the SP burns is the vital to the accuracy of the round. Some SP are more accurate than others.

But you go ahead and argue that if you want. I'll go ahead and drop citations and known measures if you need to be spanked that hard. It won't be a problem since I am learning to reload. And yes "learning," there's a lot of trial and error with this. Even powder measures can effect accuracy.

 

[SuperChungus]

MODERN AMMUNITION. is the key thing here lad. You're not using the Peabody to fire modern ammunition. You know the ammunition that is widely available. You have to use black powder, even in the Springfield 1873 to get it to function without catastrophic failure (explode). The limiting factor is the ammunition available.

If Joe Blow decides, fuck yeah I'm going to make a gun barrel out of an old cast iron pan handle that is big enough to chamber a round, then that barrel will fail. Period. UNLESS the barrel wall is so thick that it will simply not fit into a standard modern pistol frame.

Your and @Likeicare 's overly pedantic and wildly retarded autism of "BUH DEY MADE CAST IRON BARRELS FOR BLACK POWDER RIFLES" doesn't hold water. Because the things you are comparing are completely different in composition and stresses they are able to withstand.

i'm still talking about casting gun parts in general
don't change my argument

 

[Olēinad Oēmor]

@Call Me Tim, @Likeicare, TL;DR: Is the main argument that casting an iron barrel with non-industrial equipment is incompatible with smokeless powder, or that you fags both copy and paste from AI articles because neither of you knows what you're talking about?

 

[Likeicare]

@Call Me Tim, @Likeicare, TL;DR: Is the main argument that casting an iron barrel with non-industrial equipment is incompatible with smokeless powder, or that you fags both copy and paste from AI articles because neither of you knows what you're talking about?

If you can't keep track of a conversation you wont make it here