Right wing German political party AfD potentially getting banned before snap election

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German lawmakers initiate process to ban far-right AfD party

113 lawmakers sign application for party ban, citing concerns over far-right AfD’s anti-democratic behavior, anti-constitutional goals - Anadolu Ajansı
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Maniac200688 said:
The german state has become an instrument of the ethnic suicide of germany, I dont support the pro-Russian angle of the AFD but the EU needs to be restricted and the vast majority of the migrants removed. The government is panicking because like a lot of western dictatorships they fucked the country.
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This is a direct consequence of repressing the right-wing for so long in Europe after the Cold War, just like how the Republican Revolution of 1994 happened after decades of the Democrats running Congress. Nothing wrong with trading hands between the right and the left, it just needs to be balanced and not so one-sided for too long.

I too wish the AfD wasn't so pro-Russian as well. But hopefully Trump's own "suspiciously pro-Russian" angle was just a ruse and he ends up dunking on Russia even more than the Biden Administration ever did... and all the other right-wing groups like the AfD and leaders like Orban follow in Trump's wake.
 
fleacollerindustry said:
This is a direct consequence of repressing the right-wing for so long in Europe after the Cold War, just like how the Republican Revolution of 1994 happened after decades of the Democrats running Congress. Nothing wrong with trading hands between the right and the left, it just needs to be balanced and not so one-sided for too long.

I too wish the AfD wasn't so pro-Russian as well. But hopefully Trump's own "suspiciously pro-Russian" angle was just a ruse and he ends up dunking on Russia even more than the Biden Administration ever did... and all the other right-wing groups like the AfD and leaders like Orban follow in Trump's wake.
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"Hopefully"
got some doubts, puteenie is a greasy little shit but he's good at manipulating "democracies" with shills and sockpuppets
the kgb and the east germans taught him something

you found the 'tragedy' of human political systems
either there is a corrupt dictator, or a badly compromised democracy run by pathological liars
and not much outside of those two extremes

france is probably the best current balance of functioning democracy, yeah it sounds ridiculous........
having occasional national strikes by refuse collectors or teachers keeps it more honest
that won't happen in america bc it's a massive shredded mess with plenty of anti-union "activity"
 
Crassmeister said:
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Whoever made this chart is an idiot who didn't understand two key points about American Federalism:
  • the United States Federal Gov't has two chambers in Congress: House of Representatives and the Senate. If they're looking for proportional represenational in Congress, that's the House of Representatives, where 435 representatives are split between 350-someodd million people, an each state getting at least one.
    • Many governments takes this approach, not just the US; for example, Germany has the lower, proportional Bundestag and the upper Bungesrat which is alloted a specific number of seats based on each German State.
    • Bear in mind too, each state has their own State Government, with its own bicameral government (unless you're the virgin Nebraska with only one chamber)
    • If this person wanted a better argument, it's the fact that 350-someodd million people have to share merely 435 representatives and each state gets at least one, and therefore you get situations like Delaware's sole Represenative representing nearly 1 million people where as Montana's 2 Reps represent half that. Worse, the US average is about 760k people/rep, which is insanely more than any other major country (Germany = 117k/rep, Japan = 272k/rep). If we dropped it down to a managable 200k/rep, the House would need about 1675 Representatives total, or nearly 4x. You think Congress is bad NOW??
  • the reason why the Senate is made of 100 senators and each state getting 2 is that the United States is a federation of 50 states sharing power with the Federal Government, and therefore the states themselves wanted to have a say in things. Think of it like the EU and how Ireland and Greece wants to have as much of a say as Germany and France.
    • if they read their history, they would realize the Founding Fathers had this exact same issue: fighting over whether Congressional represenation should be proportional (thus giving larger states more power) or equal (thus giving smaller states a bigger voice so they wouldn't be bullied). In the end they decided to have both, and made sure laws being worked on passed both Chambers before being sent to the President for his final signature.
    • think of the domestic equivilent being like if maybe everyone on your block needed to vote for something for the neighborhood, and your next door neighbors were catholics who had 15 kids against you living by yourself. You'd always be out voted because that large family would just vote however God wanted them to. At least if there was a Senate-esque approach where each house gets one vote, then the big houses couldn't just bully everyone in the neighborhood. Also too, the alternative is to just start having tons of kids to make up for the different, but lol who'd want to have sex with you??

Education in how a system works will iron out like 95% of the dumbass noob questions people have.
 
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Crassmeister said:
"Hopefully"
got some doubts, puteenie is a greasy little shit but he's good at manipulating "democracies" with shills and sockpuppets
the kgb and the east germans taught him something

you found the 'tragedy' of human political systems
either there is a corrupt dictator, or a badly compromised democracy run by pathological liars
and not much outside of those two extremes

france is probably the best current balance of functioning democracy, yeah it sounds ridiculous........
having occasional national strikes by refuse collectors or teachers keeps it more honest
that won't happen in america bc it's a massive shredded mess with plenty of anti-union "activity"
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RE Hopefully: looks like Trump is appointing some pro-NATO folk like Marco Rubio (so I've been told) so maybe not all is lost. I just hope Trump realizes he can be pro-American AND anti-Russian, just like good ol' Ronnie Reagan.

ARE France = functioning democracy: first, lol, but second, ah yes, democracy is the form of government that divides the French the least.
 
Self-defensive democracy sounds like one party oligarchic shithole in doublespeak lol. But seriously though, I hope anyone involved in these governments can eat more shit in the future.
 
Steve said:
www.aa.com.tr

German lawmakers initiate process to ban far-right AfD party

113 lawmakers sign application for party ban, citing concerns over far-right AfD’s anti-democratic behavior, anti-constitutional goals - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr www.aa.com.tr
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“Anti-constitutional goals”……ha!

As @Maysam will certainly agree, Germany’s ‘constitution’ is not like America’s Constitution which has a Bill of Rights to protect the interests and liberty of individuals.

The Leftist a-holes who have fucked up Germany are now filled with dread that their long grip on government may finally be at an end. What to do? Lash out and deprive people of voting for a party that might actually do something positive for the country.
 
fleacollerindustry said:
Whoever made this chart is an idiot who didn't understand two key points about American Federalism:
  • the United States Federal Gov't has two chambers in Congress: House of Representatives and the Senate. If they're looking for proportional represenational in Congress, that's the House of Representatives, where 435 representatives are split between 350-someodd million people, an each state getting at least one.
    • Many governments takes this approach, not just the US; for example, Germany has the lower, proportional Bundestag and the upper Bungesrat which is alloted a specific number of seats based on each German State.
    • Bear in mind too, each state has their own State Government, with its own bicameral government (unless you're the virgin Nebraska with only one chamber)
    • If this person wanted a better argument, it's the fact that 350-someodd million people have to share merely 435 representatives and each state gets at least one, and therefore you get situations like Delaware's sole Represenative representing nearly 1 million people where as Montana's 2 Reps represent half that. Worse, the US average is about 760k people/rep, which is insanely more than any other major country (Germany = 117k/rep, Japan = 272k/rep). If we dropped it down to a managable 200k/rep, the House would need about 1675 Representatives total, or nearly 4x. You think Congress is bad NOW??
  • the reason why the Senate is made of 100 senators and each state getting 2 is that the United States is a federation of 50 states sharing power with the Federal Government, and therefore the states themselves wanted to have a say in things. Think of it like the EU and how Ireland and Greece wants to have as much of a say as Germany and France.
    • if they read their history, they would realize the Founding Fathers had this exact same issue: fighting over whether Congressional represenation should be proportional (thus giving larger states more power) or equal (thus giving smaller states a bigger voice so they wouldn't be bullied). In the end they decided to have both, and made sure laws being worked on passed both Chambers before being sent to the President for his final signature.
    • think of the domestic equivilent being like if maybe everyone on your block needed to vote for something for the neighborhood, and your next door neighbors were catholics who had 15 kids against you living by yourself. You'd always be out voted because that large family would just vote however God wanted them to. At least if there was a Senate-esque approach where each house gets one vote, then the big houses couldn't just bully everyone in the neighborhood. Also too, the alternative is to just start having tons of kids to make up for the different, but lol who'd want to have sex with you??

Education in how a system works will iron out like 95% of the dumbass noob questions people have.
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The main tl;dr is that the United States would have never become the United States without that agreement. Everyone in the smaller states were afraid of states like Virginia and Pennsylvania dominating the government and not being able to get a say. That part still works. The very populated areas are not able to dictate everything to everyone.
 
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