Oh how I despise luddites...
Why do people say nostalgia happens every 30 years?
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Branman65
I SHOWED MY GRANDPA SHOTA
Kill yourself
that actually is on my reading list, but itll have to wait till i finish mein kampf... maybe after an evola or two as well.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
It's just your generation didn't make it your own. And it really kind of wasn't your fault.
Textwall incoming. Skip to the end if you are ADHD.
In the late nineties and early 2000's you still had independent artists who were creating their own music. Some good some bad and it challenged the pop 40. But also in the late nineties "alternative rock" literally became the mainstream. Listening to Suicidal Tendencies, Clash or Black Flag (oh and U-FUCKING-2 Bono is such a fucking political tool) on a college radio and discovering them in the mid to late 80's, was no longer was cool because every single fucking high school Betty was bopping to it in their Sweet 16 Mercedes/BMW/Caddie and it was played on "alternative stations" non-stop. Some of these stations which had broader reach than the "regular stations." The regular stations wanting to stay relevant incorporated some of what they were playing in order to keep ad revenue.
If you asked someone what they listened to, what kind of music, the answer would literally be "alternative rock," but the radio station they had on the dial was the same station that played Madonna and Cindy Lauper not two to five years earlier. So.... yeah. If you sat and thought about it it really didn't compute. However, during that era, the music industry was doing it's damnest to kill any independent music production and leveraged heavily against anyone that dared to challenge the Industry. See Tom Petty, Stone Temple Pilots, etc. You either played by their rules or you didn't get airplay. But, what was truly stunning about this was the completeness of the "trickle down" control.
So originally, what you only could hear on college stations, these stations quickly became a test bed for mainstream stations. Likewise, you had gansta rap/hiphop bleeding into the mainstream, and very quickly it was accepted because it was "counter" to the mainstream. However, the "rebellious" or "counter-culture" was quickly becoming mainstream. Because who didn't want to be cool? Or as they marketed it at that time "extreme." Extreme this extreme that. It was all "Super fucking cool" because it's "XTREAM!!!!" Which of course that marketing slant was quickly adopted by the Industry and it was too the point where people were trying to shame you or what I called "out rock" you by naming obscure bands or owning "limited edition pressings" of some "alternative rock band." The number of vapid conversations I had during that decade. FUCK ME.
Here is a one act play about that time period.
****
Title: Some People
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: ** Overhearing conversation and butting in** Oh so you like ____latest band played on air____? **Translation Oh so you think you're cool and like "alternative rock."
Me: Yeah they're pretty cool. **Translation Yeah, they're pretty cool
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: I saw them in concert. **Translation I am an Alpha Music Fag/Cunt.
Me: How was it? **Translation: How was the concert? They sound good? How was the crowd.
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Oh you didn't see them? They were here last week/month at trendy night club/outdoor festival. **Translation: I'm cooler than thou. You don't rate at all.
Me: No, I had to work. **Translation: I have a job and it's more important than some band concert.
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Oh that's a shame. It was fantastic. The concert was slamming... I go to them all the time... I see them every time they are in town.... I traveled 400 miles, 1000 miles, cross country to see them... etc. **Translation: You don't rate. I'm Alpha Music Fag/Cunt. **Translation of translation: I don't work and my mommy and daddy still give me an allowance. I'm a 7th year Junior at Posh & Trendy University.
Me: Must be nice. **Cyphering the nuance: Fuck. **Translation of nuance: Oh a Rich Fag/Cunt
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Have you heard of _____. **Translation: I'm going to humiliate you.
Me: No. **Translation: No. Who?
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Well they're awesome, one band member is from (obscure band that dropped off the scene that had one cool song everyone liked four months ago) and he/she joined up with (obscure band that dropped off the scene that had one cool song everyone liked four months ago) and they made this new band (which no one will care about in four months.) **Translation: Suck it, I'm way cooler than thou. I could kick your ass.
Me: Well that's great. **Translation: LOL no. It looks like your diet largely subsists of pot, the occasional other drug and coffee.
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: (10 minute blather about even more obscure band) **Translation: I'm rubbing your nose in it.
Me: Oh. **Translation: WTF are you even going on about. Why should I care?
****
The Industry control seeped into small time, garage type bands also. The Industry was desperate for the next STP, Nirvana, Faggy Hot Chili Peens, etc. You would have an army of fresh BA Marketing hires with the ink still wet on their diplomas, hired in mass by the industry trying to seduce and sign these bands IF the band did this or that. Once they did often the band fell apart because at this stage, the following was as much as about the people in the band as the music. These new wannabe music executives didn't understand that. But, it worked out in their favor. What bands accepted the industry standards, got rich or some money and fame. What bands stuck to their guns, simply stayed small time. I saw this first hand.
Now look at the music industry. Take a look at the "artists," and their "talent." It's all homogenous and bland. Most of it pushing some sort of "message" or trying to lecture you to score douchebag points, which is totally retarded. See these famous Industry knob gobbling douchebags.
With these examples you can see why some bands from that era were just lesser copies of a sound that had really confusing lyrics, but had the right edge, sound, and look and the Industry punished you with their bullshit, because of the obvious investment they made in these knob gobblers.
And the end result of all this fuckery and douchbaggery is now there are two different music worlds: the ____metal type genres/the "true nigga gansta rap" and the Taylor Swift and Biggie Smalls watered down pop. Ironically, the "underground" which can't be called underground because the Industry has it's hooks into it too. It's the farm league for the Industry.
END TEXTWALL.
In the late nineties and early 2000's you still had independent artists who were creating their own music. Some good some bad and it challenged the pop 40. But also in the late nineties "alternative rock" literally became the mainstream. Listening to Suicidal Tendencies, Clash or Black Flag (oh and U-FUCKING-2 Bono is such a fucking political tool) on a college radio and discovering them in the mid to late 80's, was no longer was cool because every single fucking high school Betty was bopping to it in their Sweet 16 Mercedes/BMW/Caddie and it was played on "alternative stations" non-stop. Some of these stations which had broader reach than the "regular stations." The regular stations wanting to stay relevant incorporated some of what they were playing in order to keep ad revenue.
If you asked someone what they listened to, what kind of music, the answer would literally be "alternative rock," but the radio station they had on the dial was the same station that played Madonna and Cindy Lauper not two to five years earlier. So.... yeah. If you sat and thought about it it really didn't compute. However, during that era, the music industry was doing it's damnest to kill any independent music production and leveraged heavily against anyone that dared to challenge the Industry. See Tom Petty, Stone Temple Pilots, etc. You either played by their rules or you didn't get airplay. But, what was truly stunning about this was the completeness of the "trickle down" control.
So originally, what you only could hear on college stations, these stations quickly became a test bed for mainstream stations. Likewise, you had gansta rap/hiphop bleeding into the mainstream, and very quickly it was accepted because it was "counter" to the mainstream. However, the "rebellious" or "counter-culture" was quickly becoming mainstream. Because who didn't want to be cool? Or as they marketed it at that time "extreme." Extreme this extreme that. It was all "Super fucking cool" because it's "XTREAM!!!!" Which of course that marketing slant was quickly adopted by the Industry and it was too the point where people were trying to shame you or what I called "out rock" you by naming obscure bands or owning "limited edition pressings" of some "alternative rock band." The number of vapid conversations I had during that decade. FUCK ME.
Here is a one act play about that time period.
****
Title: Some People
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: ** Overhearing conversation and butting in** Oh so you like ____latest band played on air____? **Translation Oh so you think you're cool and like "alternative rock."
Me: Yeah they're pretty cool. **Translation Yeah, they're pretty cool
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: I saw them in concert. **Translation I am an Alpha Music Fag/Cunt.
Me: How was it? **Translation: How was the concert? They sound good? How was the crowd.
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Oh you didn't see them? They were here last week/month at trendy night club/outdoor festival. **Translation: I'm cooler than thou. You don't rate at all.
Me: No, I had to work. **Translation: I have a job and it's more important than some band concert.
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Oh that's a shame. It was fantastic. The concert was slamming... I go to them all the time... I see them every time they are in town.... I traveled 400 miles, 1000 miles, cross country to see them... etc. **Translation: You don't rate. I'm Alpha Music Fag/Cunt. **Translation of translation: I don't work and my mommy and daddy still give me an allowance. I'm a 7th year Junior at Posh & Trendy University.
Me: Must be nice. **Cyphering the nuance: Fuck. **Translation of nuance: Oh a Rich Fag/Cunt
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Have you heard of _____. **Translation: I'm going to humiliate you.
Me: No. **Translation: No. Who?
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: Well they're awesome, one band member is from (obscure band that dropped off the scene that had one cool song everyone liked four months ago) and he/she joined up with (obscure band that dropped off the scene that had one cool song everyone liked four months ago) and they made this new band (which no one will care about in four months.) **Translation: Suck it, I'm way cooler than thou. I could kick your ass.
Me: Well that's great. **Translation: LOL no. It looks like your diet largely subsists of pot, the occasional other drug and coffee.
Super Cool Cunt or Ultra Music Fag: (10 minute blather about even more obscure band) **Translation: I'm rubbing your nose in it.
Me: Oh. **Translation: WTF are you even going on about. Why should I care?
****
The Industry control seeped into small time, garage type bands also. The Industry was desperate for the next STP, Nirvana, Faggy Hot Chili Peens, etc. You would have an army of fresh BA Marketing hires with the ink still wet on their diplomas, hired in mass by the industry trying to seduce and sign these bands IF the band did this or that. Once they did often the band fell apart because at this stage, the following was as much as about the people in the band as the music. These new wannabe music executives didn't understand that. But, it worked out in their favor. What bands accepted the industry standards, got rich or some money and fame. What bands stuck to their guns, simply stayed small time. I saw this first hand.
Now look at the music industry. Take a look at the "artists," and their "talent." It's all homogenous and bland. Most of it pushing some sort of "message" or trying to lecture you to score douchebag points, which is totally retarded. See these famous Industry knob gobbling douchebags.
And the end result of all this fuckery and douchbaggery is now there are two different music worlds: the ____metal type genres/the "true nigga gansta rap" and the Taylor Swift and Biggie Smalls watered down pop. Ironically, the "underground" which can't be called underground because the Industry has it's hooks into it too. It's the farm league for the Industry.
END TEXTWALL.
The music industry (Industry) no longer fosters music that defines a generation. The Industry and other types of media outlets now tell you what defines your generation, it's somewhat correct but it is not yours so it's not accepted. It's not true to you or your generation so it's seen as a vapid, idle time filler and not defining of you or your generation. It's not real. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure a good percentage of you know what's happening but, you're all like "Whatever. Oh look at the latest thing they made for us." It seems that you don't try, not because you don't want to, but you know that the Industry will destroy you and your work if you do.
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Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
If there is ever a time where people look back at gay furry porn to reminisce, the end is nigh.
Who has ever said that?
Master_of_Orion
Ediot
stealing the wall.
Raddy
Healer's Fist
Or ppl just stopped being defined by a certain generations music.
I love old skool Sabbath. I love goth, I love thrash and i love disco and the blues. It's what I like. Fuck what radio execs want you to like, get Spotify or pandora or some pot smoking music nerd friend and discover decent artists.
YouTube tries to suggest shit but I recommend just falling down a hole of weird shit n seeing what you like, fuck algorithms.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
That's the thing.
The sixties had the music which that generation defined.
Same with the seventies.
Same with the eighties.
The nineties not so much.
Even much less with the 2000's
2010's LOL wut, it's all autotune and bassy back beats now.
Now it's well whatever I like so you reach back into decades which music was actually created and played. it's nearly to the point now that instruments are a novelty item in songs.
thank you internet uncle for your textwall of wisdom
concerning the last part, you are completely right. i never liked modern music growing up and neither did my friends. we all found ourselves a little personal niche of old or really obscure music and used it to fill the hole left by lack of music properly embodying our zeitgeist
I wanna see Tim and Onideus get into a text wall fight.
ITT: Tim goes full boomer "Back in my day, up hill both ways in the snow"
An entire generation being defined by a band or genera is long dead. It's a brave new world, never have so many of the stupid unwashed been so available. Far more entertaining than any jam sesh.
I'm nostalgic for 2020
An entire generation being defined by a band or genera is long dead. It's a brave new world, never have so many of the stupid unwashed been so available. Far more entertaining than any jam sesh.
I'm nostalgic for 2020
NGL; Grateful dead was pretty good, but known tim he's probably create an autistic text wall of how fuckin satanic those mfers were.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
Well put.
However,
I never said ONE specific band. I said, ".. (Industry) no longer fosters music that defines a generation. " It pertains to a particular sound, mood, attitude, and focus.
For example, during my time, there was everything from glam rock, to punk rock to the budding scene of rap (NWA, The Goats etc. Ice T, Ice Cube before they got rich and bitchy) and that music was certainly defined the time. It was a mismash of articulated outrage, mixed with over the top satire which was unabashedly unafraid of lampooning everything from Dead Kennedys, Ronald Reagan, military industrial complex, the Merican way of life, communists, lazy sloths, society and of course thots.
And of course, there is just the 'bubble gum' music that is just designed to be popular. Kitchy stuff that lingers with you because it has a bouncy melody that is easy to remember. Many bands though out the years went this route.
For example, these guys.
But probably most famous example is this:
But neither of these examples were some sort of in depth excoriating statement about society, life, situations, etc. It was just stupid music to fucking laugh and joke about and act like dorky morons because letting go like that was just fun. There is none of that now. Everything is a sexual statement, or empowering or blah blah blah. Which is why many as you both say return to the decades previous to pick out what REPRESENTS YOU.
For example, during my time, there was everything from glam rock, to punk rock to the budding scene of rap (NWA, The Goats etc. Ice T, Ice Cube before they got rich and bitchy) and that music was certainly defined the time. It was a mismash of articulated outrage, mixed with over the top satire which was unabashedly unafraid of lampooning everything from Dead Kennedys, Ronald Reagan, military industrial complex, the Merican way of life, communists, lazy sloths, society and of course thots.
And of course, there is just the 'bubble gum' music that is just designed to be popular. Kitchy stuff that lingers with you because it has a bouncy melody that is easy to remember. Many bands though out the years went this route.
For example, these guys.
But neither of these examples were some sort of in depth excoriating statement about society, life, situations, etc. It was just stupid music to fucking laugh and joke about and act like dorky morons because letting go like that was just fun. There is none of that now. Everything is a sexual statement, or empowering or blah blah blah. Which is why many as you both say return to the decades previous to pick out what REPRESENTS YOU.
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I DEMAND A TEXT WALL FIGHT!!!!
Once I get unblocked on my main, Tim and Matt better get into a fuckin fight.
I get nostalgic for the days of segregation.
Don't we all
Lol fucking hell.
WAP and proWAP argument is a supreme troll. I get that you take a lot of offence, it is aimed with great effect at your generation.
The zeitgeist is meme culture, what used to be the funny games we would play in this sandbox is now main stream.
The outrage, the music, the media all designed to be outrageous, silly and consistently baiting.
All the ngrs and fgts have finally caught up to the ngrfgts and it is beautiful!
Just smile, you were there before it was cool and we can stand together in the glow of what we all created here in this, this hot topic of dong copters and ass napkins
Raddy
Healer's Fist
Wait is this whole argument because of Cardi B?
WAP isn't empowering but its damn fun to dance to.
I hope my generation carries that to the old folks home and while someone is trying to shovel strained peas into Gloria's trap you hear
"He got a beard well I'm tryna wet it
He had a taste, now he diabetic" .
Thats what I want the 2020s to contribute.
WAP isn't empowering but its damn fun to dance to.
I hope my generation carries that to the old folks home and while someone is trying to shovel strained peas into Gloria's trap you hear
"He got a beard well I'm tryna wet it
He had a taste, now he diabetic" .
Thats what I want the 2020s to contribute.
Call Me Tim
Dramacrat
Sadly you suckle the peni of social marxism if you believe that.
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