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Quence said:
Wrong. Being able to produce ID to prove that you’re eligible to vote is the most basic form of maintaining election integrity. That in no way makes it difficult to vote.

The reason the Leftists are able to engage in so much ballot harvesting is because the US has an enormous non-white population that is happy to trade their unmarked ballots in exchange for KFC gift cards and bottles of grape drank.
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For US elections: To begin with, You DO NOT HAVE A LEFT.

How very odd that when multiple and fraudulent voting is uncovered it is almost invariably conservatives behind it.
How strangely peculiar it is that conservatives are the ones who resist making in-person voting convenient and available, thus making mail-in or drop-off ballots the only viable option for large swathes of the population who are less inclined to vote for them, and then with very little or no evidence make substantial claims about how these measures are rife with fraud and thus the votes should be discarded (except for where the vote swings conservative, obviously)
How uncanny that conservatives always want to throw out the votes that were against them but still keep the votes that were for them in a given district.

In the 10-11 local and national elections I've participated in over the years, at no point has it taken more than 15 minutes to cast my vote, and more than half that time is time spent getting to the venue and finding parking.

Any number of identification types are valid (you can get national ID cards for a photo fee, or free if you're economically challenged), everyone is registered to vote, you get paid time off to vote if necessary (it takes practically no time at all after all) and signatures never feature at all because they are inherently rubbish as a form of identification.

Every adult non-severely cognitively impaired citizen (you'd be excluded by default I'm afraid) except for less than a dozen people convicted of very substantial crimes has the right to vote in national elections. Every settled person has the right to vote in local elections in the region where they have a registered primary adress from the year they turn 18 if they are a citizen, and for non-citizens with legal residency of three years or more under the same conditions of registered primary adress.

We have practically no election irregularities, and the last substantial accusation of election fraud was made by fringe far right (that's basically centre right in your terms) fucktards practically nobody's ever heard of based on them crying themselves to sleep over not even their families being sympathetic enough to pity-vote for them.

That's practically how it works outside of banana republics.
 
Lovecraft said:
For US elections: To begin with, You DO NOT HAVE A LEFT.
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I'm legitimately surprised and slightly concerned about how many people in the US don't understand this point. There is a left relative to a certain center point, but that centerpoint is shifted to the right relative to other parts of the world.

The problem I have tho is: the Conservatives/Republicans in the USA are easy to detect and spot and subsequently marginalized because their ideas are backwards at best. They know who and what they are.

But with Liberals/Leftists/Democrats, they're simply Conservatives in denial, and pretend to be on the left side of things. So either they know what they are and lie to us about it, or truly think they are firmly on the left and are ignorant about things. Neither is a good look.

So the choice is between a Right-Wing party that is exactly who they say they are (and they are rotten), and a "Left"-Wing pary that attemps to trick us into thinking they're something that they aren't. To this day I struggle with which is the better of the two.

(inb4 "vote Socialist!" lol they're even a bigger lot of fools that can't even agree on anything without getting into some serious infighting.)
 
fleacollerindustry said:
I'm legitimately surprised and slightly concerned about how many people in the US don't understand this point. There is a left relative to a certain center point, but that centerpoint is shifted to the right relative to other parts of the world.

The problem I have tho is: the Conservatives/Republicans in the USA are easy to detect and spot and subsequently marginalized because their ideas are backwards at best. They know who and what they are.

But with Liberals/Leftists/Democrats, they're simply Conservatives in denial, and pretend to be on the left side of things. So either they know what they are and lie to us about it, or truly think they are firmly on the left and are ignorant about things. Neither is a good look.

So the choice is between a Right-Wing party that is exactly who they say they are (and they are rotten), and a "Left"-Wing pary that attemps to trick us into thinking they're something that they aren't. To this day I struggle with which is the better of the two.

(inb4 "vote Socialist!" lol they're even a bigger lot of fools that can't even agree on anything without getting into some serious infighting.)
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Better to dismantle the last remaining legacies of disgusting socialists like Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower to usher in true conservatism.
 
Lovecraft said:
Better to dismantle the last remaining legacies of disgusting socialists like Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower to usher in true conservatism.
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I know, right? Teddy Roosevelt was a goddamn socialist

So was Nixon. Like, I spent my entire childhood hearing how Nixon was this horrible president, only to find out that he was behind the EPA and methadone clinics.... two things that I personally benefitted from living in San Francisco.

I wish both parties in the US could come together and elect a Neo-Teddy Roosevelt... he was for shutting down corporations that overreached themselves and the conservation of the nation's natural resources, but was also a hawk when he needed to be. We need a "New Square Deal".

Today however, it seems like the Democrats and Republicans want to put their faith in two old farts who have nothing but their self interests in mind. Biden just wants to be able to survive to make a poopy every day, and Trump is being treated like the second coming of Reagan... and no one from either team finds anything their guy is doing as suspicious. I mean, just look at this shit:

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How is that any different than whatever cult of personality exists elsewhere in the world? Or is it that classic "it's different when WE do it"?

You're right, it's easier to just prop up a stooge like Trump who thinks he's got the depth of skill to end the Invasion of Ukraine than to actually usher in a true conservative era of prosperity. It's no coincidence that the 80's are still revered as an wellspring of American pop culture that we're STILL mining to this day. People are so desperate for a return to Reaganism that they're willing to side with someone like Trump... so much so that he managed to turn a majority of the Reagan-worshiping Republicans to side WITH Russia against US interests, just because "Trump-sempai noticed me!". This 180 warping of Reagan's values is something that will be studied in political science courses for decades.
And despite all this, the Democrats had an EASY slam dunk against Trump. They didn't need to tell his supporters that Trump is "ruining America" (because from his supporters POV, Trump is simply "ruining" the Democrat's vision for America, and that's a good thing). Rather, Democrats should've talked about how Trump is ruining Reagan's legacy and holds no real Conservative values. Hell, they should've played up Trump's ties to the Democrat party. Instead, all the Democrats are doing is showing themselves to be an ineffective adversary to Trump. What kind of retard do you have to be to lose against someone like Trump?

If anything tho, I sincerly hope that this decade of octogenarians running the country allows for the rise of a new class of leaders. Left or Right, as long as they both come up and represent the best their side has to offer.

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Reagan is rolling in his grave.
 
fleacollerindustry said:
I know, right? Teddy Roosevelt was a goddamn socialist

So was Nixon. Like, I spent my entire childhood hearing how Nixon was this horrible president, only to find out that he was behind the EPA and methadone clinics.... two things that I personally benefitted from living in San Francisco.

I wish both parties in the US could come together and elect a Neo-Teddy Roosevelt... he was for shutting down corporations that overreached themselves and the conservation of the nation's natural resources, but was also a hawk when he needed to be. We need a "New Square Deal".

Today however, it seems like the Democrats and Republicans want to put their faith in two old farts who have nothing but their self interests in mind. Biden just wants to be able to survive to make a poopy every day, and Trump is being treated like the second coming of Reagan... and no one from either team finds anything their guy is doing as suspicious. I mean, just look at this shit:

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How is that any different than whatever cult of personality exists elsewhere in the world? Or is it that classic "it's different when WE do it"?

You're right, it's easier to just prop up a stooge like Trump who thinks he's got the depth of skill to end the Invasion of Ukraine than to actually usher in a true conservative era of prosperity. It's no coincidence that the 80's are still revered as an wellspring of American pop culture that we're STILL mining to this day. People are so desperate for a return to Reaganism that they're willing to side with someone like Trump... so much so that he managed to turn a majority of the Reagan-worshiping Republicans to side WITH Russia against US interests, just because "Trump-sempai noticed me!". This 180 warping of Reagan's values is something that will be studied in political science courses for decades.
And despite all this, the Democrats had an EASY slam dunk against Trump. They didn't need to tell his supporters that Trump is "ruining America" (because from his supporters POV, Trump is simply "ruining" the Democrat's vision for America, and that's a good thing). Rather, Democrats should've talked about how Trump is ruining Reagan's legacy and holds no real Conservative values. Hell, they should've played up Trump's ties to the Democrat party. Instead, all the Democrats are doing is showing themselves to be an ineffective adversary to Trump. What kind of retard do you have to be to lose against someone like Trump?

If anything tho, I sincerly hope that this decade of octogenarians running the country allows for the rise of a new class of leaders. Left or Right, as long as they both come up and represent the best their side has to offer.

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Reagan is rolling in his grave.
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The only real solution is collective suicide.
Start again from orangutans or gorillas.

But no chimps!
Fuck them, nervegas the fucking lot.
 
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