What the fuck is a drag queer doing in one of my childhood shows?!

Tech Noir

Newfag
But why is drag part of the whole LGBT community? It's not a sexual preference, it's your occupation as a performer and entertainer, it isn't an identity that you live by, it's a job.

I guess because it gets lumped with homosexuality and transexualism? IDK, I look at US politics and most of it is just looks like pandering to spolied manchildren. Pronouns? Thinking you are entitled to your own pronouns is as spoiled and priviliged and as first world as it gets.
 

globekun

Ediot
Real talk though whos gonna tell moobs that glorious Nippon not only encouraged but popularized transvestism on stage and in courtship, but also with children?
Samurai used to commit pederasty as a ritual too.
Also many men, hundreds of years ago wore clothing that today is now considered girly or feminine, for example some men were wearing skirts

Gendered clothing is a relatively new thing
 

globekun

Ediot
I guess because it gets lumped with homosexuality and transexualism? IDK, I look at US politics and most of it is just looks like pandering to spolied manchildren. Pronouns? Thinking you are entitled to your own pronouns is as spoiled and priviliged and as first world as it gets.
Troons are so obsessed with how others think of them...

Hm, wonder what that means
 

minty

runs bartertown
But why is drag part of the whole LGBT community? It's not a sexual preference, it's your occupation as a performer and entertainer, it isn't an identity that you live by, it's a job.
yeah, it's weird. buuuut there's a venn diagram of overlap? a lot of drag community are gay dudes, so they get claimed
not all, obvs i mean tim curry is straight but still did rocky horror. same with patrick swayze n the gang in "to wong foo, thanks for everything"
it seems like it shouldn't matter cuz make-up, wigs, heel, n skirts are not gender specific (a man in scotland stabbing brits with a sword centuries back would be in a kilt, which is a skirt, and i refuse to accept it as not being masculine. ending the angl* menace is always masculine)
personally, i don't even like modern drag. trixie mattel's make-up sucks. divine reigns supreme
 

Tech Noir

Newfag
man in scotland stabbing brits with a sword centuries back would be in a kilt, which is a skirt
Actually no, there was a book, "invention of tradition", details how many things that are considered "older than memory" are in fact recent inventions created to bolster the nationalism. Kilt was invented in 19th century by an Englishman (Rawlinson, I think his name was). When slavery was abolished, merchants that were making slave clothes were stuck with a lot of plaid fabric, and they just rebranded it as tartans. And so "slave color no.19" or whatever it was called got rebranded as "tartan of the clan MacWhatever"
 

Lovecraft

Dramacrat
Actually no, there was a book, "invention of tradition", details how many things that are considered "older than memory" are in fact recent inventions created to bolster the nationalism. Kilt was invented in 19th century by an Englishman (Rawlinson, I think his name was). When slavery was abolished, merchants that were making slave clothes were stuck with a lot of plaid fabric, and they just rebranded it as tartans. And so "slave color no.19" or whatever it was called got rebranded as "tartan of the clan MacWhatever"
Absolute rubbish.
There are plentiful records of kilts from the 1500s.
The shorter kilt started appearing in the 1700s, and the "modern" broad association with scots rather than highland scots happened in the 1800s.
Twill plaid was a comparatively expensive fabric, not something you'd use for slave labour anyway.
 

minty

runs bartertown
Actually no, there was a book, "invention of tradition", details how many things that are considered "older than memory" are in fact recent inventions created to bolster the nationalism. Kilt was invented in 19th century by an Englishman (Rawlinson, I think his name was). When slavery was abolished, merchants that were making slave clothes were stuck with a lot of plaid fabric, and they just rebranded it as tartans. And so "slave color no.19" or whatever it was called got rebranded as "tartan of the clan MacWhatever"
on behalf of actual scottish nationalists:
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rawlinson is a certainly a part of kilt history, but the belted plaid (it's only a plaid skirt unless the belt is present, you need both to make it a kilt) had been part of the greater scot-irish identity for centuries before.
this art of the clan skene coat of arms is from 1600's
Skene-of-that-ilk-arms-1672.jpg

it's a natural highlands region cultural fabric
 

Tech Noir

Newfag
It wasn't a long kilt, it was a tunic/toga thing. Highlanders aren't Scottish, they are Irish tribes that settled Scottish highlands. Lowlanders with the rise of nationalism adopted a lot of their culture thinking they are "restoring traditional Scottish culture", but "real" Scotland was always the lowlands one.
 
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